I'll add that I think the standards are important. The Canadian Home Builders' Association mentioned looking beyond simply Red Seal to non-Red Seal trades as being another issue. I think the steps the government is taking right now on apprenticeship harmonization is an important issue.
The internal trade discussions that are starting to happen at the federal and provincial levels will probably be a very useful vehicle for rooting out some of the more hidden barriers to mobility and certification recognition that exist in those provinces. We're on the right track here when it comes to regulatory barriers, we just need to keep at it. If we can find new initiatives like these grants we've been talking about today to facilitate further, that'd be great.