Evidence of meeting #32 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was benefit.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Caroline Bosc
Dominique La Salle  Director General, Seniors and Pensions Policy Secretariat, Department of Employment and Social Development
Marianna Giordano  Director, CPP Policy and Legislation, Department of Employment and Social Development
Heidi Illingworth  Executive Director, Canadian Resource Centre for Victims of Crime
Lenore Lukasik-Foss  President, Ontario Coalition of Rape Crisis Centres; Director, Sexual Assault Centre (Hamilton and Area)

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Conservative

Scott Armstrong Conservative Cumberland—Colchester—Musquodoboit Valley, NS

I'm not questioning the amount; I'm sure it's that high.

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Executive Director, Canadian Resource Centre for Victims of Crime

Heidi Illingworth

That's a low figure actually.

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Conservative

Scott Armstrong Conservative Cumberland—Colchester—Musquodoboit Valley, NS

In that calculation, is there a calculation there for unreported violence? There can't be.

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President, Ontario Coalition of Rape Crisis Centres; Director, Sexual Assault Centre (Hamilton and Area)

Lenore Lukasik-Foss

That was a Justice Canada stat from 2009. It is considered a conservative estimate. It included things like health care costs, lost wages, public spending in justice and social services. They tried to do a comprehensive calculation, but it's considered by many to be conservative. Interestingly, this year—I didn't include it because it didn't seem relevant—sexual assault has a higher cost, but the cost is disproportionately borne by the victim not the system because, as Heidi mentioned, most victims of sexual assault do not enter any of our official systems. For me, that was very distressing because it means those victims and their families are carrying that burden alone, as opposed to the others, whereas with domestic violence there are more systemic costs.

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Conservative

Scott Armstrong Conservative Cumberland—Colchester—Musquodoboit Valley, NS

When you add what we all know is a huge amount of unreported crime, particularly in this area, if $7.4 billion is the actual calculation that's been made on what's been reported, if you can extrapolate that and add to what we know is out there we're talking a huge cost upon all of us. It's not only emotionally and the idea of what's right and wrong, but also economically. This is a huge factor we have to deal with.

Thank you very much for your time. We appreciate it.

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President, Ontario Coalition of Rape Crisis Centres; Director, Sexual Assault Centre (Hamilton and Area)

Lenore Lukasik-Foss

I'm going to put a word in here to say that it is absolutely fiscally responsible to address this issue because we are bleeding dollars by not addressing it. I think we would actually be further advanced if we did targeted strategic spending and we wouldn't see these costs.

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Conservative

Scott Armstrong Conservative Cumberland—Colchester—Musquodoboit Valley, NS

Thank you very much.

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Executive Director, Canadian Resource Centre for Victims of Crime

Heidi Illingworth

Absolutely, the cost of crime is borne by the victims. I want to reiterate that point again. Huge costs. I think it's a similar study to those that the Department of Justice have done, but almost 70% of the cost of crime are borne by victims themselves.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Phil McColeman

Thank you very much for being here today as witnesses. We appreciate your time. We appreciate your depth of knowledge and sharing that with the committee today.

The meeting is adjourned.