We are starting to see some program R and D more at the college or university level. The University of Fredericton has an MBA program, with a specialty in social enterprise. The University of Manitoba, the University of Winnipeg, and the University of Toronto have incorporated social enterprise programs into their business schools, so we're seeing it at the college level. Where we really have the biggest challenge is how do we move it down to primary schools and high schools, so as people are coming up they're understanding that business is not separate from community and some social issues. We've kept these two issues so separate.
As we raise social workers, and then ask about social enterprise, they've never.... They're passionate and great at what they do, but we've been working through programs. We partnered with ESDC on expanding the enterprising non-profits program across Canada, which works with non-profit groups to give them business skills to help them with their business planning and their skill development, but it's very early. It's the same on the financial investors' side. They're trying to figure out how to take their traditional financial tools and apply a social lens to get a blended value.
I think we're learning. We're all working together. Investors are trying to figure it out. Academics are engaging in this. We're at the beginning, but we've taken important steps.