Mr. Butt, I think you've hit on a very important topic and it's part of why our fifth recommendation is really about the potential role of government to facilitate and to lead this cross-sector discussion. If I invite corporations to a table, I might get a response. If the government convenes a meeting, we get a tremendous response. I think we saw that with Minister Kenney's comments in Calgary in 2013.
The very fact that a minister of ESDC took leadership and publicly said, “We support this”, gave a lot of support to the public servants who are focused on this. I think you heard last week from Siobhan Harty. Giving the public servants room to work in this while engaged with the public sector and the community sector, I think is a role in which the government.... It doesn't involve a big cost but it's the kind of thing that doesn't sound good to you—networking and conferences and learning. How do we couch that to make it more comfortable for government to continue to take that lead on facilitating and engaging cross-sector? We've seen in other countries how private sector and social enterprises and social finance sit down and work it out, but they have to come to the same table with the same purpose.