Certainly. The experience for our members, when other privatization schemes have been introduced, is that they don't know what level of service the private contractor is necessarily meant to be providing without the contract being made public. We also don't know how much we're paying for it. With that in mind, we don't know if we're getting value for money.
A few years ago the Ontario Health Coalition and a number of unions representing public health care workers, including not just the Ontario component OPSEU, were forced to take the Ontario government to court after it refused to release information about the William Osler Health Centre public-privatization partnership. What was found out in that court case, which had previously been kept secret, was that using a P3, or public-privatization scheme, cost over $300 million more than using public procurement would have. In other words, that was $300 million we didn't know about until we went to court to find out about it. Unfortunately, getting that information cost $100,000 in legal costs, which is why we haven't done it more often and why it's prohibitive for the individual citizen to get that information.