Thank you, Mr. Chair. I agree. I take your caution.
The point I'm trying to make is about return on investment. Mr. McNeill, you said that every time somebody invests, they expect a return on their investment. Well, that return doesn't necessarily need to be financial. A return can be the fact that it has a benefit to the general...because not every person who invests is looking at the financial return. There are many people...and we just had a visitor to Ottawa here, Mr. Gates, who has extended over $65 billion to causes throughout the world.
I think it's important to put it in context. We're looking at this as a way that people can have the ability to feel that they're contributing, that they have a sense of helping their fellow man in whatever way. Those are the successes that we've heard. I don't think the intent would ever be to try to undermine the return or make it more costly for service delivery for the Government of Canada or any other level of government.
I'll get to a question here. Looking at social finance, other than the bonds, could you give me examples of where there's a possibility that we could embrace this in a way that would benefit the possibility of getting a social return?