Ms. Carole Gagnon at the Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities Committee

I would take it slightly differently.

First, I agree with what Bill has said. I think the other aspect is that the sector itself has to build its capacity to measure outcomes, which means, therefore, that investments in organizations have to include dollars toward their ability to measure outcomes. That's a shift; it no longer would be strictly about program delivery.