In terms of a successful environment for these types of initiatives to take hold and prosper, which Professor Loxley has alluded to already, we're talking about impact investing and about governments wanting to invest in proven winners and scale those up. However, we need to know what we are doing currently. How much money are we spending? What are we spending that money on? What are the effects of that spending? If a new intervention is put in place, what are the effects of that new intervention? What are the outcomes of current initiatives? Can we measure the outcomes of these new initiatives that are important? We need that kind of data-gathering evidence. The second key part is building the capacity of all those involved in these initiatives. If we know that a certain initiative is successful at getting people back to work or reducing rates of recidivism, we want to make sure that information is shared with all service providers across the country so they can all take that intervention and implement it themselves. We don't want pockets of success that aren't connected across the country.
For us it's two simple things: one, it's better evidence of data; and two, it's sharing that information effectively.