Thank you, witnesses, for being here.
It's good to see you, Mr. Cyr. I always appreciate the leadership you provide to the National Association of Friendship Centres.
It's called social finance because they want social outcomes. You're right that it's not about profits; it's about social outcomes. We've talked about various programs about which you were saying it would be nice to have a return on investment so that we could further invest in that type of thing. How do you measure the social outcomes? Quite often with programs, we find that they're up and running and they're good, and then when they finish learning those skills, all of a sudden the things that were done are just dropped. We want to move those ahead to make changes, social changes. I've experienced a number in my life especially with first nations with regard to issues around ownership of housing, and actually the first nations community training the young people to be carpenters and plumbers and that type of thing, and all of a sudden there's an ownership and there's a social change there. It's quite amazing. I'm just wondering if you've had any of those experiences you could share with us.
The second question would be for everyone.
Are there any policy changes we need to look at as a government? There was some mention of issues with regard to Revenue Canada and how charities cannot have a profit. Is that something we need to look at as far as trying to find a policy change goes, so that we can accommodate that as long as the money is reinvested in the program or something else to benefit the community?