That's a great question. It's something we put a lot of thought into as well, looking at how we measure impact.
I think there are different layers or levels of measuring that impact. Certainly for us, with all of our programs we do pre- and post-testing. We're always evaluating and looking at the outcome evaluations for all of our programs. Those can demonstrate the impact of a service on individuals, couples, and families. You can see that immediate impact in people's lives.
When we look at larger-scale impacts, for a very large community, it's a challenge to measure some of those impacts. Doing that kind of impact study also requires dollars and investments of money. Sometimes we're asked to do that measuring, on the one hand, but we're not given the resources we would need to actually do the kind of study or the kind of work we need to do in order to demonstrate that impact. On the micro-level, we can demonstrate it. At a larger community-based level, we're just now beginning to be able to do that.
Let me give you an example with the Safe Centre of Peel, which is where people go when there are immediate issues of violence. We can look at the number of murders in Peel region. We can ask if some were prevented due to the existence of the safe centre. But how do you measure that? How do you prove that? It's next to impossible to be able to capture that—