Okay.
There's another thing that happens with statistics. We have a company in Hamilton, National Steel Car, and typically they had about 1,000 employees. They grew to 2,500 employees in making railcars, but when the model run changes and a different car comes in, they may lay off some people. The headline would read that “400 were laid off” from this company, but that's a temporary retooling layoff. Once again, we're into this confusion about what the real labour market is like.
There are many small machine shops and so on in our area. There are 23,000 manufacturing jobs. I ask them what problem we can help them fix, and it's the skilled labour shortage. Unfortunately, then, we get into the question of whether they are bringing someone in from eastern Europe because they're able to work more cheaply or whether there is definitely a shortage of those particular skills.
How are we going to evaluate that? What suggestions do you have, from the CLC point of view, that will help us understand what the real needs are in terms of skills and so on, and whether they're available or not?