There are pre-apprenticeship programs. The unions are already doing this. There are programs in place. There's ESL. There's a lot of this already taking place, but it needs to be scaled up. That's one of the issues.
Also, I still think that the awareness issue in high schools is just not there. It's still not there. Parents in Toronto, they want their kids to go to U of T or George Brown. They think, “Oh my goodness, you want to be an electrician?”
Skills Ontario or Skills Canada had a really cool ad. They had a Mercedes and the licence plate said “Doctor”, and then they had an Aston Martin and it said “Lawyer”, and then they had another high-end car and it said “Plumber”.
When you look at how much tuition a person pays to get all those things.... I think the cut-off point is at 50 years old. If you start off in the trades as a plumber, “you're earning while you're learning”. That's the phrase. You're making money while you're an apprentice. It takes, I don't know, 30 years or so before the lawyer and the doctor catch up because you can make that much money in a skilled trade. It's the perception that it's not equal.