Then how do we go to...there's permanent temporary employment, and this goes back to the whole definition of precarious. We're getting a whole smorgasbord of issues that you're attempting to address, because Mr. Fong referenced the seasonal fish processing industry. It's old. They're highly skilled workers. They don't view themselves as precarious because they return, return, return to the same employer, and they do have benefits in those scales. In lumping them into the precarious definition, they would not see themselves there.
I understand Ms. Schmidt's position. That to me is where we should be focusing, on really defining precarious and then looking at what supports are needed to either help individuals move out of those situations or if they can't and because of lifestyle they must stay, then what supports are needed to prevent them from creeping into poverty from time to time.