Thank you for that. I just need to keep going. I want to ask you some more questions. I'll move on, because the time is escaping quickly.
I would say that Geranda had the closest definition I can relate to. I remember being done university as a young dad with four kids. We might not have been close to the poverty line, but sometimes Kraft Dinner was all we could eat because we had to make the next payment, even though we had a decent income. The Concise Oxford English Dictionary defines “poverty line” as the estimated minimum level of income needed to secure the necessities of life. I think that defines quite well what I think of as poverty or the poverty line.
I want to get back to what I think Mr. Cross was saying. To me, the simplest way out of poverty—and it's not necessarily the absolute way out—is a job. If it's a low-income job, it doesn't always bring you out of there, but without it, you're almost destined to be poor. With a job, you have the opportunity to get out of poverty, or you're not in poverty anymore.
What I'm getting at, which Mr. Cross was referring to, are policies in this country that are hospitable to job creators. On the Conservative side, we see that the people who create jobs create opportunities for people. We see it as opportunities for regular Canadians to have a job.
As part of our conversation, Mr. Cross, what would you say would be the biggest bang for the buck in Canada in terms of tax policy for a government that's looking to help people out of poverty?