With the measures that are in place right now, do you feel that's sufficient to really...?
In order to move forward, we have to really understand poverty and how we define it. Somebody living on the streets is obviously poor, but we know there are a lot of working people who are poor as well. In order to make progress here, we have to be able to be accountable for the things that we do and how we do them, and that's where the measures come in.