I would say self-employment programming is part of every transfer to the provinces and the territories as well as the federally delivered programs. Self-employment is like an intervention stream. We supply a number of service providers who develop that stream, together with a number of different supports such as mentoring, helping with the set-up of a business case and a business plan, and training in everything from essential skills to financial literacy. All that is part of a self-employment intervention.
Most of it is delivered by the provinces and the territories, and we support that through $3 billion in transfers. It's really at the local level that these programs are being developed, within the parameters the Government of Canada sets up. Under the federally delivered programs, like the youth employment strategy, opportunities for self-employment are always supported. I have numbers, and I can certainly provide them.
The problem we have with self-employment is that it's very difficult to evaluate. Every time I give you evaluation numbers, they're going to look very negative for self-employment. We analyze and evaluate the regular interventions looking at earning incomes or through reliance on passive income support after the intervention. For a self-employed business person, those are not the right indicators to evaluate the success of their business. We have a long way to go in evaluating it properly, but it's used across the country, and it's one of the interventions in any program we have available right now.