We're getting dug in here, and I think you're onto it: that it's the little details that prevent the bigger things from happening. If you have a bigger structured plan, I would ask that you submit it to the committee because the testimony doesn't end here when your mike shuts off and we go home. We ask you to present the committee with further documents, if you can, of a grander plan for Canada to actually reduce poverty.
For me there are two kinds of poverty. I usually ask witnesses, too, about their definition of poverty. There's a poverty of spirit and there's a poverty of sustenance. I think if we can deal with the first one, the poverty of spirit—if we can get the person out of the darkness of poverty mentally—then we can deal with the other aspects a lot more easily. I think that's what you're onto.
Do I have more time, Mr. Chair?