I do have a lot to ask, and I apologize that I can't get to everybody.
Ms. Eisenhauer, I thought your speech and presentation were very well done. I commend you on that.
Penni, I know you, and I certainly know that you're very involved in Saint John. You talked about “lived experience”. Sometimes from government's perspective we tend to have our committees and our meetings and we do things in a bit of a silo. We don't want to do that. I think that in developing a national poverty reduction strategy, as our government is tasked with, it is paramount to involve people with lived experience. Could you share how important you feel it is to include people with lived experience in our strategy?