My understanding is that this bill doesn't necessarily change a lot of things. The only thing it changes is that they don't have the ability to go to the joint committee that has been appointed or elected to deal with those particular situations.
You may very well be correct in terms of people preferring to speak to somebody at arm's length; however, that arm's-length person can still be part of a joint health and safety committee, right? I don't think the way the bill is written now will change the numbers of people coming forward. People are afraid to come forward when dealing with situations that are hurtful.
Whether it's discrimination or harassment, they're afraid. They're afraid of reprisals, so until we do something that shows them, first of all, that the people around them can be trusted, and that we really have their best interests at heart, it's going to continue. If we continue along this particular line with no joint committee, I think it will get even worse. Fewer people will come forward because they will not see anyone there who they trust.
The other piece of it is that maybe we also need to do a lot more training around human rights issues for the joint committees. That was mentioned in my colleague's intervention as well. I think that will go a long way to ensure that more people come forward because, at times, the very best of us, even though we know the legislation and even though we know the law, when we are traumatized in that way, we tend to stay back. If we're going to put forward a bill, we need to make sure that the bill is extremely strong and looks at all sides of the issue.