Let me start with labour. Labour has always been challenging in the Fraser Valley, at least for the last 10 to probably 15 years. However, the crisis has not helped at all. Part of it may have been because of the generosity of the government initially in some of the offers. Even now when we try to bring people back to work, they are getting paid pretty much the same or maybe more in some cases. I don't know all the details on it, but I know people are declining to come back to work today because they are on great government programs. That is challenging us right now.
From a technical point of view, we always need technicians. There's a shortage of technicians. It could be industry or government, but we have not promoted the great job of being a technician. You will never be out of work if you're a good technician because there's never been unemployment in that part of the market, where you're earning, in terms of dollars per hour, anywhere from the low twenties to start, up into the high thirties. Sometimes with incentives you'd be working overtime and earning over $40 an hour.
That's a big hit for us now, and because of COVID we had the big shutdown of business so that we sold very little for a short period of time. Now it seems to be coming back, so it's a bit of a rebound just as we are getting into spring. I don't know how long that is going to stay, but it feels good right now. However, now we can't get the people to fill the pipe to deliver a great service on the product we're delivering, so that is a challenge.