Okay, so you have no answer to that.
Earlier, we had testimony from Chris Aylward, the national president of PSAC, the Public Service Alliance of Canada. I asked him directly what the difference was between a contractor or a consultant and a replacement worker, and he was pretty adamant that they were both awful, with replacement workers being the worst but consultants being a very close second.
I think there has been a significant demoralizing factor that's happened with workers. In particular, we look at what has happened with GC Strategies and arrive scam, which was supposed to cost taxpayers $80,000. The reason I'm bringing this up is that we're here to talk about how we're going to help workers, yet the government, the Liberals, are saying one thing but seem to be doing another.
If outside consultants, which... The Auditor General found that the app didn't work and that nobody wanted it. It cost $60 million, but the government's record was so bad, the AG said it was impossible to determine the real cost of the app. The procurement watchdog found that 76% of subcontractors on ArriveCAN did no actual work, and the two—