Evidence of meeting #112 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was service.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Paul Thompson  Deputy Minister, Department of Employment and Social Development
Cliff Groen  Associate Deputy Minister and Chief Operating Officer for Service Canada, Department of Employment and Social Development

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

And Xennex...?

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Xennex is the other company I own that is also dormant and that is also wrapped up and fully disclosed.

Let me be really clear: Part of the reason it indicates that funds are owed to my company—

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Minister, the question was how much.

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Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Michael—

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Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

This is a really long story to just tell me how much.

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Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

No, it's not.

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Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

How much?

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

The United Nations Development Programme still owes the company funds. That's two and a half years later. That is why you see the declaration.

If you want to understand how much money I made as a private citizen, then you can refer to—

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

I want to understand how much you're getting paid by this company while you're a minister.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Mr. Barrett, if you're going to ask him a question, which is not relevant to what the committee is meeting for today.... This committee met at length to set its agenda for today. You're appearing as a committee member today, and you do have the right to direct questions in relevancy. If you're going to continue, I will then ensure that the minister has a chance to respond, should he choose.

Mr. Minister.

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Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

I answered that question before, Mr. Barrett.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

It's really unbelievable, because you haven't answered the question. The answer you gave was a complete non sequitur to the question that was asked.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Mr. Barrett, that's not true. These—

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

You have a duty to arrange your private affairs in a manner that prevents a conflict of interest, but in this case, you arranged your private affairs in the matter of a $110-million federal grant to a federally regulated organization, with federal government representatives on its board—

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

There is no—

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

—to which they benefited—

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Mr. Chair.

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Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

—monetarily.

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Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

That is not true whatsoever.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Mr. Barrett, I'm going to give the minister a chance to respond to a question that is not relevant.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

I haven't finished asking the question.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

I can't answer a question that's full of falsehoods.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

I asked the minister to—

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

He interrupted me throughout the question.

4:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

You're questioning in an area where the rules the House adopted are really black and white.

Mr. Barrett, we're here—