In the middle of a crisis, if we don't have houses built, what does commitment mean, especially when we look at bureaucracy that is being put in place at every level? It seems that every level has additional bureaucracy that people like you then have to jump through in order to get houses built to get people housed.
We know that it's important to have people housed because that helps with living. When we look at wraparound services and all the things, it very much not black and white.
I just want to go to Ms. Whitzman now.
I am just wondering if you believe that it's just that Ottawa and Toronto are increasing development fees on new home builds.