I've sat at many bargaining tables, and benefits are hard fought for. Nobody is prepared to give up benefits.
However, it's critically important that we actually gain a national pharmacare plan because, unfortunately, the reality is that while 80% of unionized workers have supplemental health benefits, 56% of non-unionized workers have zero benefits. In order for us to take care of all workers in Canada, we need to make sure we have some universal plans. Those plans can also augment the existing union-negotiated plans, leaving some of the additional money that would be saved by those employers—