There's a lot to be talked about there. First, I think what was said on the commission versus the commission chair is correct.
I think there is a clash of philosophy sometimes when we deal with the civil service, an idea that somehow centralizing decision-making and having one expert in the room is better than having all the stakeholders, so to speak, or the people who have different but probably complementary viewpoints on things. That is a different governance model.
Over the past number of years that I've been in this position...I think it's difficult for some people to even get that there is value to this. To me, strictly on the notion of governance.... In this case I don't need to remind you that we're talking about employers' and workers' contributions. The very basis of the institution is the fact that this program is paid for by workers and employers, so they should have a voice.