As Karen mentioned, one of the tools we use to measure effectiveness is, indeed, the performance results framework. For example, what we're seeking to achieve through the SBCCI is really the social inclusion of Black communities, and in particular the most vulnerable. In order to measure that, we have identified immediate and intermediate outcomes along the theory of change, making sure that we are achieving the result we are seeking, which will help us identify the efficiency of our initiative.
We have also used our engagement with the community. As you heard from other witnesses this week, we are working very closely with the community. We have an opportunity to hear from them. I was personally able to attend the congress of Groupe 3737 and was able to interact and hear from the community.