Specifically to Red Seal, let me get back to you, Mr. Lewis.
All I can tell you is that I met with Gil McGowan in Edmonton about 10 days ago, maybe less. I'm trying to think now. It was about a week ago. We continue to talk and work with them on exactly how these are going to work. They will lead the charge on how these happen. We're not doing anything that's not in their best interests.