First families are important. I was part, with our son, of one of the first open adoptions in Ontario. As I said, he's now 32. The first family is very important as long as safety issues can be addressed.
When we look at indigenous culture, we need to look at self-governance. I think that the child welfare system, for indigenous culture, is the next residential school of our time. I am disgusted by what I have seen in the child welfare system.
At the Child and Youth Permanency Council of Canada, we have an indigenous advisory board, and there are youth on that board. They definitely direct us, and it should be those voices that are directing us.