Evidence of meeting #26 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was study.

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Members speaking

The Chair (Robert Morrissey (Egmont, Lib.)) Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Good afternoon, committee members.

The clerk has advised me that we have a quorum, and we have respected the time for members to come from the chamber to the committee following the vote.

The audio for the witness appearing online has been tested, and it's good.

With that, welcome to meeting number 26 of the Standing Committee on Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities. Today, we will begin our review of Bill C-222.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the Standing Orders. Members are appearing in the room and virtually.

Before we begin, I would advise all members to make sure your devices are silenced. Please refrain from tapping on the boom of your mic, for the protection of our interpreters. Also, please wait until I recognize you by name before speaking.

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If there is a breakdown in interpretation services, please get my attention, and I will suspend while that is being corrected. From time to time, I forget to remind members and witnesses, especially when you're giving your opening statements, to speak slowly for the benefit of the interpreters.

Madame Koutrakis.

Annie Koutrakis Liberal Vimy, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Before we begin today's meeting, in the interest of providing clarity and ensuring that the committee can complete its study of Bill C-222, I would like to propose the following motion:

That, pursuant to the Order of Reference dated February 4, 2026, the committee undertake a study of Bill C-222, An Act to amend the Employment Insurance Act and the Canada Labour Code (Evan’s Law); that the committee hold up to three meetings to gather testimony; that upon completion of these meetings, the Chair schedule clause-by-clause consideration at the earliest possible opportunity; and that the Chair report the bill to the House at the earliest possible opportunity

I'm putting it on notice.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you.

Before I go to Mr. Genuis, the motion has been circulated in both official languages.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I'm sorry, but I have a point of order.

Is that being put on notice or being moved?

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Are you moving it?

Annie Koutrakis Liberal Vimy, QC

I'm moving it.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Okay.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

It's been moved by Madame Koutrakis.

The motion is in order because it's relevant to the subject matter before the committee.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I'll move that we amend “three” to “four”. We've submitted witness names. I think “up to four” is reasonable. After three meetings, if we decide that's enough, that's fine, but I suggest having up to four. Otherwise, I think it's agreeable.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

We have the motion of Madame Koutrakis. As Mr. Genuis has proposed an amendment, I will have to dispose of the amendment.

Annie Koutrakis Liberal Vimy, QC

Could you repeat the amendment? I'm sorry.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

It's just changing the number of meetings from three to four. That's it.

Annie Koutrakis Liberal Vimy, QC

We're okay with that.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Is there any further discussion on the amendment by Mr. Genuis?

I'm seeing consensus on the amendment.

(Amendment agreed to)

(Motion as amended agreed to)

The motion of Madame Koutrakis, as amended by Monsieur Genuis, has been adopted.

With that, committee, I will proceed to Bill C-222, an act to amend the Employment Insurance Act and the Canada Labour Code regarding the death of a child.

Pursuant to the order of reference received on Wednesday, February 4, 2026, the committee will begin its review of Bill C-222.

I would like to welcome the sponsor of the bill, the Honourable Terry Beech, MP for Burnaby North—Seymour.

Mr. Beech, you have five minutes for your opening statement.

Terry Beech Liberal Burnaby North—Seymour, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Members of the committee, thank you for inviting me to speak to Bill C-222, the relieving grieving parents of an administrative burden act, also known as Evan's law. It is my extraordinary pleasure to be back with you at HUMA.

I want to start by acknowledging that while legislation often deals with budgets and bureaucracy, this bill is fundamentally about compassion. It is about how our government treats Canadian families in their darkest moments.

For me, this is personal. As I mentioned at second reading in the chamber, my wife and I came incredibly close to losing one of our daughters during a difficult birth. The 20 days we spent in the NICU gave us a glimpse into the heartbreak that too many families have to live through.

Sadly, for approximately 1,700 families in Canada every year, there is no happy ending. They leave the hospital without their child, but they return home to a government system that inadvertently adds to their pain.

Right now, under the Employment Insurance Act, if a child passes away while a parent is on leave, that parent legally ceases to qualify for parental benefits. Consider what that means in practice: In the midst of planning a funeral and grieving a profound loss, a parent is expected to contact Service Canada immediately, and if they don't, they begin accruing a debt to the government that the CRA will later claw back.

Parents can switch to EI sickness benefits, which offer similar financial support, but to do so they must navigate a lot of red tape. They often have to call every two weeks to prove they are still grieving to re-justify their need for support. It is a cruel, unnecessary administrative burden placed on people who are barely holding it together.

Evan's law proposes a simple, elegant solution. The bill states that if an individual qualifies for parental benefits and their child tragically passes away, they should continue to qualify for the benefits they were already promised. There would be no phone calls, no clawbacks and no questions asked. A grieving family could simply take the time they need to heal without the government looming over them.

I know that as committee members, you must consider the fiscal responsibility of any bill, so I want to address that point head-on as well.

While the Library of Parliament costing suggests a fiscal cost of several million, this figure looks at payouts in isolation. It does not account for the fact that many of these parents would otherwise simply switch to EI sickness benefits, which pay out at approximately the same rate.

Therefore, on a net basis, this measure is largely cost-neutral. In fact, it will generate savings, which are also not accounted for, by removing the need for Service Canada officers to process biweekly reports and for the CRA to chase down grieving parents for clawbacks. We're actually reducing administrative waste, helping the government run more efficiently.

Regarding the royal recommendation, when I first introduced this bill, I was honest that I needed help securing it. I am pleased to report to this committee, as I did in the House during second reading, that through positive discussions with the responsible ministers, we have found a path forward.

I acknowledge that we may need to look at minor technical amendments during the committee stage to ensure the legislation is executed properly within the EI framework, and I am open to that co-operation. It's part of the reason we have the committee process.

However, I urge the committee to keep this bill focused. This is a small but mighty piece of legislation. It targets a specific injustice faced by approximately 1,700 families each and every year. It was identified a long time ago, and for some reason it has taken way too long to correct, and we now have that opportunity.

Let's not over-complicate this. Let's pass this bill to show that our Parliament can be efficient, smart and, above all, kind.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Mr. Beech, for the opening statement.

We'll now go to the first round of questioning, which is six minutes.

We'll begin with Mr. Genuis for six minutes.

Mr. Genuis, you have the floor.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Beech, thank you for introducing Bill C‑222.

Conservatives believe that this is an important and necessary protection for parents and families. Grieving parents shouldn't have an additional burden of needing to fight bureaucracy to access the benefits to which they're entitled.

Mr. Beech, thank you for presenting this bill. I haven't had a chance to speak to it in the House yet. As the Conservative shadow minister leading our response on this, I want to assure you very much of our support for the principle. I see it as building on work that has been done by my colleague Blake Richards and others to take important steps forward to help families. I know the debate that happened at second reading was very meaningful and very heartfelt.

I wonder if you can start by sharing a bit about the work that's been done on this issue in the past, in particular with motion 110 from the 42nd Parliament. I believe there was a study at this committee that came out of that motion, and many people spoke to it at the time. I wish we could have acted sooner, frankly. I wish we'd seen action on this in an earlier Parliament, but can you speak to motion 110 and some of the issues emerging from it?

Terry Beech Liberal Burnaby North—Seymour, BC

Certainly, I'll do my best.

Even though you didn't have the opportunity to debate during the two hours of debate in the House, you have been very communicative about this bill. I appreciate your desire to see it go ahead in a good way and your communication as we go through this process.

There are many issues where it makes sense to be partisan, and this is not one of them. This is something that benefits all Canadians, and both of our families and all of our neighbours, so I appreciate how you've gone about addressing it. I also appreciate the opportunity to salute your colleagues, including Blake Richards, and members of this committee previously, who studied bereavement.

Obviously, many other issues were raised, not just this one. This has been attempted a couple of different ways, but I have specifically focused on this one because of the work of the previous minister responsible for Service Canada, Karina Gould, but also my work at Service Canada, knowing that this was an opportunity to not only do the right thing, but do it in a cost-effective manner. That is a rare thing.

We really have no excuse not to figure this out. As I said to Blake in the House during debate, I have no excuses and no reasoning for why we were not able to accomplish this sooner. I can only promise that we're going to do everything we can to get this across the line.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Thank you very much for that.

I want to highlight an amendment that we Conservatives would like to propose. This bill deals with the case of bereavement when a child dies, and the continuation of leave in that case. It was also brought to our attention, as a result of a case in the riding of one of my colleagues, what happens when a parent dies. It's a similar situation of pain for the family. If the parent who was on leave dies while leave is being paid out, immediately that leave is lost. That compounds the grief the family is facing with financial hardship.

This is going to be a relatively small number of cases. Our view is that provided we have agreement among parties and a mandate to do so from the House, these are things we can secure. We would be able to add the element of supporting families when a parent dies to the existing provisions around supporting families when a child dies. Obviously for that to proceed, it is dependent on the agreement of the government, with a royal recommendation, but it is something we would like to put forward as another situation of bereavement where we can protect families in a vulnerable situation.

I wonder if you could share your reflections on that proposal.

Terry Beech Liberal Burnaby North—Seymour, BC

I'd be happy to, and I want to be very careful how I frame this. You raised this potential amendment with me before today, so this isn't coming as a surprise. I don't think my response will be a surprise either, because I've also raised my own personal concerns.

There are obviously lots of things that need to change within EI, and EI modernization has been ongoing for some time. This is close in scope in that it deals with bereavement.

My concern is that this is a private member's bill. Royal recommendations have only been allowed for private member's bills since 1994, and since that time, in the last 31 years, they have only been received three times. As well, given that we were able to achieve a line item in the index of the current budget specifically for the measures we have in this bill, I would be concerned about expanding the scope in any way—

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

I'm sorry, but I'm just going to jump in, because I'm almost out of time.

I want to be clear that we would at no point want to jeopardize the bill, so there's no point in doing this unless we know we're going to have a royal recommendation. Having said that, I would encourage the government to consider offering a royal recommendation to an amended bill that also takes care of families in those situations.

The only possible impediment to this is the willingness of the government to provide the royal recommendation, so we will be advocating for that and hoping for a good result.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Mr. Genuis.

We'll now move to Ms. Fancy for six minutes.

Jessica Fancy-Landry Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Thank you very much, Chair.

Terry, thank you so much for being here and for this bill.

I'm from Nova Scotia. In 2015, a bill was created that is very similar to yours. It was called Ruby's Law. That bill was used to create a job protection strategy for leave when a pregnancy ends without a live birth. It applied before the parental leave had ever existed.

Ruby's Law, similar to yours, was only about loss and bereavement in a medical event. It was very limited. There was nothing in terms of pay. It was just protection of job loss for taking an extended bereavement leave.

As a newer member of Parliament, in reading your bill, Terry, I was very moved by that, in conjunction with something that Nova Scotia fought really hard for in the past decade or so for when there is loss of life giving birth. I want to commend you to the utmost for that, because as you said earlier, any time we can show compassion in how we treat families in this country is a win for everybody. It is—or should be—a non-partisan issue.

I have a couple of quick questions for you today. My riding in Nova Scotia is quite rural. We have very limited access and means for families within our riding, which means that our constituency office acts as a saving grace. We regularly spend time behind the scenes making phone calls and helping with paperwork when people are going through these momentous occasions.

With that in mind, and with families dealing with this unimaginable loss, my question for you is, how do you think Bill C-222 will help ensure that these parents, particularly in rural communities, receive compassionate and coordinated support without unnecessary administrative burdens?

Terry Beech Liberal Burnaby North—Seymour, BC

Thank you for that question, and thank you as well for raising Ruby's Law.

Both the previous example and the law being considered today demonstrate that not all government work is fancy headline-dropping material.

Nobody designed the system to work this way. Sometimes, when different things get legislated at different times, if we don't come in and play cleanup, we get these unintended consequences. There is, I have found, great valour in doing the boring work and making things more reasonable for normal people.

When you explain the law to individuals, it is such an obvious no-brainer that people are surprised that this is how things actually work today. We had some polling. When the polling was unprompted, with people not knowing anything about the bill and with just an explanation of the situation, less than 4% strongly opposed this bill. There's great support for it.

In terms of the good work that happens at constituency offices, obviously some trouble happens here. Often, a constituency office will hear from a parent in this situation, but more likely, they hear when they get a letter from the CRA asking what's going on with this. They question how they got themselves into this mess in the first place. Then the member of Parliament has to justify what is going on behind the scenes for something that is almost unjustifiable.

We will be able to clean that up, save some administrative hassle and really make life better for parents who are in the worst position imaginable.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Jessica Fancy-Landry Liberal South Shore—St. Margarets, NS

Thank you so much for that, Terry.

I have a quick follow-up to that. We talked about the administrative burden. I'd like to ask one more question in regard to the financial burden. This bill addresses an important financial burden, which you mentioned earlier in your introduction.

I think all parties can agree that this needs to be addressed and moved forward. However, families who have lost a child don't need just financial support. They also need mental health support and wraparound care, especially in our rural communities, where services sometimes are harder to get.

How will the government ensure that parents are provided for beyond income relief and are meaningfully connected to mental health services without having to navigate our fragmented system? This is more a question in regard to continuing care after this happens.