Evidence of meeting #32 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was non-market.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

White  Director, Systems Change, Maytree
Moffatt  Founding Director, Missing Middle Initiative
Faiza  Manager, Policy and Research, Tapestry Community Capital
Carolyn Whitzman  Senior Housing Researcher, School of Cities, University of Toronto, As an Individual
Sullivan  Executive Director, Canadian Housing and Renewal Association
Irwin  President and Chief Executive Officer, Rental Housing Canada
Cadieux  Executive Director, Employment Insurance Policy Directorate, Department of Employment and Social Development
Brochu  Manager, Employment Insurance Policy Directorate, Department of Employment and Social Development
Legault  Legislative Clerk

11:10 a.m.

Executive Director, Employment Insurance Policy Directorate, Department of Employment and Social Development

Benoit Cadieux

We'd be happy to offer a technical briefing before this goes to report stage, if needed.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster—Meadow Lake, SK

In terms of timing, from what I understand, that time would be now. Once this leaves committee, it then goes to report stage. I guess that's our frustration here—trying to understand before it gets locked into the next stage. We're in somewhat of a predicament. We're trying to understand what all of these amendments are and what repercussions or side effects they could have.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

If it's the wish of the committee, the committee could go in camera now and receive that technical briefing. Then we can move forward.

Is it the wish of the committee to go in camera to have a technical briefing, or does the committee wish to continue reviewing clause-by-clause so that the bill may get passed?

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

Mr. Chair, I have a proposal. Could we go through this? We will pass as much of this as possible and will seek, at the earliest available opportunity, to have an in camera briefing on these amendments so that we can make sure we understand this.

I don't want to hold this up in any capacity. The families have been waiting long enough.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

I agree.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

They do not deserve to have to wait for this.

We are very disappointed by the lack of clarity on how this came forward. I hope this can get better. We do support this, and we do support the intent of this.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster—Meadow Lake, SK

I would support that proposal, with the caveat that it is scheduled before this comes—

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Before it reaches report stage in the House...?

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster—Meadow Lake, SK

Yes, it would be within a respectful time, not the night before this bill is up for debate at report stage. I expect that we wouldn't have a repeat of what we've had already with these proposed amendments.

Annie Koutrakis Liberal Vimy, QC

We are in complete agreement with what was just said.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Yes, we do control when it gets to the House. That was a good observation, Ms. Goodridge and Ms. Falk.

With the goodwill of the committee members, we'll get through the bill so that we can get to the technical briefing and get the bill to the floor of the House for second reading. Then we will get it changed within the timeline that everybody wants.

We are under time constraints. As chair, I must live within the direction that comes from the legislative counsel and ensure that when the bill does get there for second reading, the Speaker allows it to get there. That requires considerable nuance.

Shall clause 3 carry?

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

We already did that.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

It wasn't agreed to. That's why I allowed you to debate it, Ms. Goodridge. Let's stay within the rules.

(Clause 3 agreed to)

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Where are we now? There are a lot of numbers.

We will move to G-6.

Is it your wish to withdraw it?

Annie Koutrakis Liberal Vimy, QC

I decline to move the amendment.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

We're now at new clause 3.2, with amendment G-7.

Is it your wish to decline?

Annie Koutrakis Liberal Vimy, QC

I decline to move the amendment.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

We are on new clause 3.3. This is G-8.

Do you wish to decline?

Annie Koutrakis Liberal Vimy, QC

I decline to move the amendment.

(On clause 4)

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Now, so that we're all clear, we're on clause 4 of the bill. It's not an amendment.

Shall clause 4 carry? Clause 4 should carry.

Now we're on the clauses. It's not—

Annie Koutrakis Liberal Vimy, QC

Can we suspend, please?

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Yes. I'll suspend for a couple of moments, because we've moved from amendments to clauses.

We've carried clause 4. I'll suspend for two moments.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

The committee is back in session.

We were dealing with clause 4, and it was carried.

Terry Beech Liberal Burnaby North—Seymour, BC

No, it was not.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

No, clause 4 did not carry.