Evidence of meeting #38 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was homelessness.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Patty Hajdu  Minister of Jobs and Families
Wright  Deputy Minister of Labour and Associate Deputy Minister of Employment and Social Development, Department of Employment and Social Development
Thompson  Deputy Minister, Department of Employment and Social Development
Clarkson  President and Chief Executive Officer, Calgary Drop-In and Rehab Centre Society
Beauregard  Coordinator, Table Itinérance Rive-Sud

Patty Hajdu Liberal Thunder Bay—Superior North, ON

In Alberta, for example, there is a 45% ratio of privatization for the funds the federal government supports the province with, so we have a healthy balance in that province, as well as in other provinces.

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

Why not in every province? Why just in provinces like Alberta?

Patty Hajdu Liberal Thunder Bay—Superior North, ON

Well, some provinces, like Saskatchewan, have always had a public system, and they're not interested in privatization. They have a public system and—

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Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

They're not interested. That's interesting. That's not what I've heard.

Patty Hajdu Liberal Thunder Bay—Superior North, ON

What I'm saying is that their system was built on a public framework, so they have worked largely within their public framework. Different provinces have different approaches.

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Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

Minister, we have a crisis. There are more families—

Leslie Church Liberal Toronto—St. Paul's, ON

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

Could we please allow the minister to finish responding to the questions that are being raised?

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Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

That's not how this works.

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Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster—Meadow Lake, SK

That's not how this place works.

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Conservative

Garnett Genuis Conservative Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB

Read the book.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Order, members.

It's the member's time, and the member has the right to question the witness as the member chooses, as long as it doesn't get into harassment, which is not occurring.

Ms. Goodridge.

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Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

The policies your government has put in place are putting female-owned small businesses out of business because you are preventing them from accessing government funds in so many cases. This is having a major impact. Families are stuck on wait-lists. They cannot access care. Does that concern you?

Patty Hajdu Liberal Thunder Bay—Superior North, ON

Of course, we are working with all the provinces and territories to both reduce fees and increase spots. I would say that we are seeing great progress, including in Alberta, where the average daily price for child care is $15 a day, saving families up to $13,700 per family.

This is quite—

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Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

Has the government met its target—

Patty Hajdu Liberal Thunder Bay—Superior North, ON

—an accomplishment for a government, and for an opposition party that talks—

An. hon. member

It's the member's time.

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Minister, it is the member's time.

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Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

Has the government met its target for space creation?

Patty Hajdu Liberal Thunder Bay—Superior North, ON

Some provinces have done better—

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Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

It's a yes or no.

Patty Hajdu Liberal Thunder Bay—Superior North, ON

—than others in terms of space creation.

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Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

The answer is no.

Patty Hajdu Liberal Thunder Bay—Superior North, ON

In fact, we are working on the next round of plans with provinces and territories to make sure they reach those commitments.

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Conservative

Laila Goodridge Conservative Fort McMurray—Cold Lake, AB

So far, the answer is no. Is that correct?

Patty Hajdu Liberal Thunder Bay—Superior North, ON

What I would say is we're seeing different accomplishments across the country, and some provinces have met space targets.