Evidence of meeting #13 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. William Farrell
Mark Davidson  Director, Citizenship (Registrar), Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Margaret Young  Committee Researcher

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Meili Faille Bloc Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

I would like to mention a small detail, Mr. Chairman. In the French version, after the word "subissent", there should be the words "avec succès".

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Raymonde Folco Liberal Laval—Les Îles, QC

Excuse me, Mr. Chairman, but I do not have a copy of what Ms. Faille is talking about.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Can you repeat that, Madame Faille?

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Meili Faille Bloc Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

After the word "subissent"

In the motion itself, the English and the French don't mean the same thing.

The words "avec succès" should be added after the word "subissent".

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Are you referring to Mr. Siksay's motion that we should add in French...where, again?

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Meili Faille Bloc Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

It's after the word “subissent”.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

It's after the word “subissent”. Maybe you could point it out to us in the--

4:20 p.m.

Bloc

Meili Faille Bloc Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

It's just a detail. It's just that it doesn't mean the same thing.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Maybe the clerk can square that away with you, and in the meantime I don't think there's anything preventing us from calling for a vote.

There's a point of order from Madame Folco.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Raymonde Folco Liberal Laval—Les Îles, QC

I would like to hear from the translators following what Madame Faille just said.

First of all, I'd like to hear from Mr. Siksay. Does he mean people who pass in the sense of getting 51% of the marks--that kind of passing--or does he mean people who are just going through the process, which is what the French says? I'd like to hear which of the two, the English or the French, is the one Mr. Siksay wanted to present.

4:20 p.m.

NDP

Bill Siksay NDP Burnaby—Douglas, BC

I think Madame Faille's suggestion is well taken. I would support her suggestion as a friendly amendment to make it equivalent in English and French.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Raymonde Folco Liberal Laval—Les Îles, QC

What would it be?

4:20 p.m.

NDP

Bill Siksay NDP Burnaby—Douglas, BC

There would be the words "qui subissent avec succès".

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

All in favour of the friendly amendment to make it equivalent in English and French?

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Andrew Telegdi Liberal Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order. Are we voting to allow a dissenting report? We actually dealt with this as a committee before. The last time a parliamentary secretary put in a dissenting report, we said they could put in a dissenting report and we'd attach it as long as it was ready to go when our report was ready to go, which was tomorrow, and that's exactly what happened. The committee didn't even see the report, if you recall, Mr. Clerk.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Are you saying you want us to be in favour of a dissenting opinion being attached?

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Andrew Telegdi Liberal Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

That's right, as long as it doesn't delay tabling the report tomorrow.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

So it would have to be in the clerk's possession tomorrow by nine o'clock or ten o'clock.

4:20 p.m.

The Clerk

The tabling is at ten o'clock, so it's by nine o'clock, in both official languages, and sent electronically.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

It will be at nine o'clock, in both official languages, and sent electronically.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Andrew Telegdi Liberal Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

That's just what happened the last time when we accommodated the parliamentary secretary with the dissenting report.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Okay. We'll call for a vote to attach the dissenting opinion to the report. All in favour?

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Raymonde Folco Liberal Laval—Les Îles, QC

Just one minute. Could we have the text, please, Mr. Chair--the text exactly as we are voting on it?

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

The text of Mr. Siksay's...?

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Raymonde Folco Liberal Laval—Les Îles, QC

No, no. It's to attach the dissenting report, but there's another part to it after that: within.... I just want to make sure we're voting on the same text.