Right. But in the broader question of reappointments, I think it's clear that the process of how you get on the board has changed. I think we would all agree that if it's more qualification, more objective, that's a good thing, as opposed to the murky process that existed before that.
Is it not also fair to say, though, that the government has some obligation for extra due diligence in terms of those who were appointed initially under that process and who now are coming up for reappointment? I mean, if this conversation with Mr. Ellis hadn't been recorded, I presume his name would have been coming forward in the near future for reappointment.