As far as the Harkat family is concerned, their parent is incarcerated in Kingston. From the perspective of the family and what the family is going through, especially the children of the incarcerated individual, it's important to listen to them, because all the refugees and a lot of the people who come through...the clerk said 120 beds in Toronto, and he was trying to figure out if these people are on certificate.
As for the Harkat family or the family of any other individuals who have been incarcerated for a long time, it not only points out the difficulties people face when they're incarcerated for a long time, it also points out the difficulties families face when somebody's coming to the airport and all of a sudden an immigration official chooses to, let's say, incarcerate you for a month, two months, three months. So you will hear a dire straits situation of what's happening to a family, and how that's tearing the family apart.
I am sure the parliamentary secretary cares about joining families and making sure that families, especially in the Canadian immigration system, are together and are productive citizens working--