Listen, I have acted as a parliamentary secretary in two different departments, and I know as well that there are other people around this table who have been parliamentary secretaries, so there's no way you can tell me that the staff, which is seconded to the parliamentary secretary from the department, does not liaise with the minister's staff. There's absolutely no way you can tell me that the minister has not seen this report, or any other reports. Maybe in this case they haven't seen it, but you can't tell me that the minister does not see any other reports that the committee does.
Mr. Komarnicki comes in here and he's got his briefing notes, and you can see that definitely when questions are being asked or stuff is being said, there are briefing notes from the department.