Those are the two big issues.
And what are they creating out of this? There are two crises they're creating. Obviously one that was discussed here is the social problems and the lack of family reunification and the other issues that individuals have to deal with on a day-to-day basis. But the bigger problem, which I think Conservatives would understand, is the security crisis they've created. We have people, as the testimony was today, who have been found guilty of crimes and can't be deported from Canada because we don't have judges to hear their cases.
So if they can't understand it from a social and compassionate point of view, they must be able to understand it from a law and order point of view and realize that the minister is not doing her job.