It's not a point of order, so I'm not going to hear that.
I'm going to just say thank you to the panel members for appearing here today. We want, as a committee, of course, to be part of the solution to this problem, and we will very soon be writing a report, which we will present to the minister and to the department. Hopefully, we will be part of a solution to your problem.
Thank you.
We'll suspend for one minute until we bring on our second panel.