Evidence of meeting #7 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was safe.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jean-Guy Fleury  Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada
Marilyn Stuart-Major  Executive Director, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada
Jahanshah Assadi  Representative in Canada, United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

4:10 p.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Jean-Guy Fleury

It's been brought to my attention that safe third is only between Canada and the States. But in Europe, I think it's in 2008 where they will have the minimum number of refugees.

We don't have safe third with Europe.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Would an individual with a criminal record have access to the refugee system, or would that be determined by CIC?

4:10 p.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Jean-Guy Fleury

In all probability the CIC would not refer them to us.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

It would not refer them to you?

4:10 p.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Jean-Guy Fleury

No, because all of the screening would have been done, and if there is any reason to believe there is criminality or what have you, they are not referred to us.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

What happens to the cases that are rejected? Do they automatically leave the country? Could you tell me a little bit about that?

4:10 p.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Jean-Guy Fleury

Oh, I think you'd have to ask the agency. Mr. Chair, once we make and render a decision, the documents are referred back to the ministries.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Okay.

Thank you, Blair.

Ms. Deschamps.

4:10 p.m.

Bloc

Johanne Deschamps Bloc Laurentides—Labelle, QC

I want to talk to you about the Safe Third Country Agreement. This agreement came into force on December 29, 2004. A report was supposed to be tabled after one year. We are still waiting for this report.

4:10 p.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Jean-Guy Fleury

I welcome your question. Foreign Service, the department and the United Nations entered into this agreement. I read the testimony provided by the department last week, stating that it expected to have the assessment shortly.

4:10 p.m.

Bloc

Johanne Deschamps Bloc Laurentides—Labelle, QC

A commissioner has all the independence needed to make a decision, except that his power is discretionary.Should he exercise his discretionary power he must so report to the chairperson.

Correct me if I'm wrong but could this discretionary power act as an impediment, since it could put pressure on the commissioner with regard to a future evaluation? Is this discretionary power used often?

4:10 p.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Jean-Guy Fleury

No.

I want to make sure I clearly understand what you mean by “discretionary power”.

4:10 p.m.

Bloc

Johanne Deschamps Bloc Laurentides—Labelle, QC

If the commissioner deems it necessary, he may use it.

4:10 p.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Jean-Guy Fleury

At the decision-making level.

4:10 p.m.

Bloc

Johanne Deschamps Bloc Laurentides—Labelle, QC

Depending on the criteria.

4:10 p.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Jean-Guy Fleury

He can do it based on the convention or the legislation.

4:15 p.m.

Bloc

Johanne Deschamps Bloc Laurentides—Labelle, QC

If he goes beyond this, he must so report to the chairperson.

4:15 p.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Jean-Guy Fleury

No, meaning those making the decisions.

Our commissioners undergo an evaluation process to ensure that they have received the necessary training and to meet their needs, should they have any. The way they make their decisions, positive or negative, has no impact on my decision to recommend that the government renew a commissioner's mandate.

4:15 p.m.

Bloc

Johanne Deschamps Bloc Laurentides—Labelle, QC

So, since I love statistics, would it be possible to get a breakdown of the decisions, both positive and negative, made by each commissioner in each region?

4:15 p.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Jean-Guy Fleury

We simply wanted to mention that the decision-makers are responsible for different countries, different regions. So, it is extremely difficult to compare one commissioner to another in terms of percentage. However, there have been access information requests, and we have provided information on each commissioner pursuant to the legislation.

4:15 p.m.

Bloc

Jean-Yves Laforest Bloc Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Mr. Fleury, is it possible for a claimant to file a complaint about the quality of the process, irrespective of the result? For example, if an applicant feels adversely affected by the process or that someone working within the framework of the process did not show him proper respect, could the claimant file a complaint?

4:15 p.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Jean-Guy Fleury

We have an internal complaints process. Complaints may be filed by defence lawyers or by individuals. I ask complainants to consider the merits of their complaint, etc., and I make a decision based on whether that complaint is founded or not. The number of complaints is published each year in our report to Parliament. Individuals' names are not mentioned, obviously.

4:15 p.m.

Bloc

Jean-Yves Laforest Bloc Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

You identify the number of complaints.

4:15 p.m.

Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Jean-Guy Fleury

C'est cela.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Okay. Merci.

Barry Devolin.