Well, I'm not about to get into defining what is televised and what isn't. I can only tell you that we're governed by the House of Commons rules, and the House of Commons rules are very clear in the Standing Orders. As chair of the committee, I'm bound by the Standing Orders.
With respect to motions, I want to remind the committee again that we did have a motion before we came to the committee, saying that we would not have any substantive motions come before the committee while we were having these hearings, and we all unanimously agreed to that.
I would say to the committee that we're wasting valuable time here.
So the ruling is that I have to go by Standing Order 119.1(1) of the House.