Evidence of meeting #19 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was alberta.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jim Gurnett  Director, Edmonton Mennonite Centre for Newcomers
Yessy Byl  Temporary Foreign Worker Advocate, Alberta Federation of Labour
Bill Diachuk  President, Edmonton, Ukrainian Canadian Social Services
Miles Kliner  General Manager, Sunterra Meats - Innisfail
Trevor Mahl  President, TC Hunter
Gil McGowan  President, Alberta Federation of Labour
Alice Colak  Chief Operating Officer, Immigration and Settlement Service, Catholic Social Services
Al Brown  Assistant Business Manager, International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers - Local 424
Michael Toal  Representative, Local 1118, United Food and Commercial Workers Union
Lynn Gaudet  Immigration Consultant, As an Individual
Tanveer Sharief  Immigration Consultant, Commissioner for Oath, Immigration Plus, As an Individual
Peter Veress  Founder and President, Vermax Group Inc., As an Individual

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Nina Grewal Conservative Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

What improvements would you recommend to the current temporary worker program? What would you suggest?

2:55 p.m.

President, TC Hunter

Trevor Mahl

Improvements to the program?

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

Nina Grewal Conservative Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

Yes, what improvements would you recommend to the temporary worker program?

2:55 p.m.

President, TC Hunter

Trevor Mahl

Did you want to...?

2:55 p.m.

General Manager, Sunterra Meats - Innisfail

Miles Kliner

Speaking purely from our experience--and I guess from an employer's experience--once the LMO pre-approval has been completed, the confirmation process tends to be an area where things get dramatically bogged down. It seems to me there are really no timetables within which those steps are expected to take, and secondly, at the embassy level, we experience the same types of problems.

I recognize you can't just throw more people resources at it, but I think the process could be streamlined beyond what it is currently. I think that would assist both government agencies and employers, or recruiters, in being able to manage the timelines in which they are expecting to be able to recruit foreign workers.

2:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Okay. We're going to go to one, two, and three pretty quickly. You have a couple of minutes each because I have to manage the time.

We'll start with Ms. Beaumier, then Mr. Karygiannis, and Mr. Carrier.

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

Colleen Beaumier Liberal Brampton West, ON

I'll go first.

I'm a bit like a dog with a bone. In the Toronto area and Ontario, as you are probably aware, there are 10,000 underground workers--skilled labourers--who are currently working illegally in the construction industry. If someone comes to you and they have been working under these conditions, can you get them a working visa? You certainly can't get it in Ontario; they will be deported.

We have people who have lived here for 10 or 15 years; they have children who have gone into the school system because they originally claimed refugee status, so their kids were entitled. They are now working in Canada. We have a shortage of skilled labour. Do you see a way of wedding what you need out here with giving these people a second chance so that they can work here and eventually apply to be landed if they are skilled workers?

2:55 p.m.

President, TC Hunter

Trevor Mahl

We work with a group of pretty fantastic companies, and I can say that with confidence because of the programs they have developed in their own companies to train the workers, to put them through cultural awareness programs, and to go above and beyond. These are presidents of companies saying, “Come into my home for dinner.”

We have the companies. We have the jobs. As you said, it's the same thing in Ontario. Obviously, they have to come in legally with a proper LMO and an offer letter.

2:55 p.m.

Liberal

Colleen Beaumier Liberal Brampton West, ON

In other words, people who are here illegally are being deported.

2:55 p.m.

President, TC Hunter

Trevor Mahl

Yes.

I would like to just comment on it. In Alberta, as far as I know, they are here legally. They have an LMO and they have a work permit.

3 p.m.

Liberal

Colleen Beaumier Liberal Brampton West, ON

But that's not what I'm talking about. I wanted solutions for my tens of thousands of people when they come to my office. I just can't say, “Nice seeing you. Hide your sorry ass or you're going to be shipped out.” This is basically all we can do in Ontario.

3 p.m.

President, TC Hunter

Trevor Mahl

Yes.

We can use workers in Alberta. There is no doubt. There are tons of jobs.

3 p.m.

Liberal

Colleen Beaumier Liberal Brampton West, ON

Well, we have them in Ontario.

3 p.m.

President, TC Hunter

Trevor Mahl

I know that, and I know there are a lot of workers in Quebec as well.

3 p.m.

Liberal

Colleen Beaumier Liberal Brampton West, ON

And they're being exploited in Ontario.

3 p.m.

President, TC Hunter

Trevor Mahl

They have to go through the proper process. They have to be here legally. I would say that for certain. If they go through the proper work permit process, we can help them. Call me and we can find them a place.

3 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Thank you.

Mr. Karygiannis and Mr. Carrier, please proceed quickly.

3 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Mr. Miles, are you a union shop or a non-union shop?

3 p.m.

General Manager, Sunterra Meats - Innisfail

Miles Kliner

We're non-union.

3 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Has there been an attempt to unionize you?

3 p.m.

General Manager, Sunterra Meats - Innisfail

Miles Kliner

There hasn't in my memory.

3 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

How many people do you employ?

3 p.m.

General Manager, Sunterra Meats - Innisfail

Miles Kliner

We have 110 at our facility.

3 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

How many of them are foreign workers?

3 p.m.

General Manager, Sunterra Meats - Innisfail

Miles Kliner

We currently have 42.