Here are a couple of things. I also think it ties in with what you're talking about concerning overseas consultants. I think if we have actual queues.... People talk about queue-jumping, but there is no queue for lower- and working-class people. If we have clear, simple programs without a set of forms like this that you have to fill in at every stage for lower- and working-class people, they're not going to go to these—if you'll excuse my legal term—scumbags, who then take their welfare cheques once they get here, if there's an actual process for them to come into Canada. Part of the reason people go to these, again, scumbags is that there is no process.
Then we hit it on the refugee side too. Canada keeps increasing interdiction overseas and we interdict more. We basically make it impossible for a refugee to get to Canadian soil in the first place.
So while I applaud Mr. St-Cyr—and we owe a debt of gratitude to your party for bringing that in—having an RAD doesn't make any difference if a refugee can't get to this soil to make a refugee claim in the first place.
Let's be honest, the overseas refugee program is a joke. It takes 5,000 a year. It asked Francisco's organization not to sponsor any more refugees two years ago because it couldn't process the ones it had. It's a joke.