One thing we have to look at is why this program is expanding. My own workers come to do a job that no Canadian wants to do because of the harsh conditions, because of the poor pay. What happens is that we are creating this huge....
How can we have unemployment if there are these hundreds of thousands of applications for people do jobs? It doesn't make sense. There's something there that doesn't match. We shouldn't have any unemployment if there is so much work. But what happens is that nobody wants to work under those conditions except people for whom making $1 a day in their own country is a lot of money.
The other thing is with regard to the control that farmers have over, in this particular case, farm workers. What we have is a feudal situation. We've seen conditions where the workers are herded from the moment they arrive at the airport. They're brought to the farm in the middle of the province and they stay there. They can't do anything else but stay there and work.
What other place would you find a Canadian worker who would allow themselves to be treated like that, whether there is a union or not? As Consuelo said, these people are like ghosts. They are there, and they are there to stay, so employers can do whatever they want.
That's the reason why we have hundreds of thousands of applications. It's great to have this very submissive, unrepresented group of workers at one's disposal. I mean, that's the cruelty of the program, and that's the reason why it works. That's what we have to change.