To be honest with you, I was on the minister's advisory committee as one of the participants, as was my colleague Rivka Augenfeld, who co-chaired that committee.
Initially we estimated the number to be in the neighbourhood of 6,000. However, when we took a second look at it, after the committee--we did our own studies at CSIC--we lowered that to approximately 3,000 in terms of those practising inside Canada. Outside Canada, CIC doesn't have a clue. We don't have a clue simply because it's unregulated and the figures aren't tabulated. However, offshore, I would say, there is probably a much larger problem in terms of individuals who are practising as agents, certainly as education agents and employment agents.
For example, when I was in China, I visited with the public security ministry. They regulate and issue licences to 200-and-some companies that are practising in mainland China, which is one of Canada's top source countries. How many consultants and agents and people are working there legally and illegally is an open question and is certainly not one the Chinese government could give me any comfort on.