The Dragan case, number two, was subsequent, Mr. Chairman, to the change in the point system back in 2002. I just want to say for the record that some of the members on the committee might want to revisit what the committee had to say at the time, because we were very much against what was happening. One of the things that came out in the Dragan case was that the bureaucrats essentially lied to the committee. And it's in the records. I bring that up because I think it's important for us to know where the problems come from.
I have been on the committee for the last 10 years, and I have lived through seven different ministers in the last 10 years. If one wonders who runs the department, it very much is the bureaucracy, and they're not very open, accountable, and transparent.