Evidence of meeting #44 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was instructions.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Richard Fadden  Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Les Linklater  Director General, Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Andrea Lyon  Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic and Program Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration Canada
Joan Atkinson  Visiting Assistant Deputy Minister, Canada Public Service Agency, As an Individual
Daniel Jean  Associate Secretary, Senior Associate Secretary's Office, Treasury Board Secretariat, As an Individual

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Diane Finley Conservative Haldimand—Norfolk, ON

There are a number of ways to do this. First of all, we have to clear the backlog. That's one of the reasons we're putting in a lot more resources. We're also doing things like coding the files with occupation, province of destination, so the provinces can then access these files. It's called data mining. I guess that's the technical term. They can identify people they need and get them here sooner.

We're looking at doing our processing centrally here, moving files around from busy to less busy missions as well as sheer process changes that will let us do things faster. If we get more people processing each application faster, we get a lot more applications processed a lot faster. We stop the growth in the backlog with their legislative changes. Then eventually we're going to get to the point where we have an efficient system where the wait time for newcomers applying to come here does not put them off and make them go to Australia or somewhere else where they are obviously allowed to get in a lot more quickly.

We're going to be meeting the needs of the economy. We're going to help newcomers succeed. That's going to work for everybody, and eventually we'll get people who really want to come here, people we need who want to be here to fill those jobs, and we'll be able to get them here in a timely manner. That's good.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Nina Grewal Conservative Fleetwood—Port Kells, BC

And how does this backlog impact on Canada's immediate and long-term economic future?

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Diane Finley Conservative Haldimand—Norfolk, ON

Right now, frankly, with the wait time being as much as six years, it's putting people off from even applying to come to this country. I mean, who would want to put their lives on hold for six years waiting to find out if they might be able to come to Canada? Nobody wants to do that. I shouldn't say nobody, but a lot of people certainly don't. So people aren't even bothering to apply.

In fact, I met some people from the New Zealand government and they told me, because they process their applications in six to twelve months--usually on the six-month side--that New Zealand's best marketing tool to attract immigrants is Canada's backlog. That's a really sad commentary. We need to fix it.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Okay. It is 4:30 p.m. and we have completed our third round. I was hoping to get a couple more people in, but we don't have time. So thank you, Minister.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

A point of order.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

A point of order before we adjourn.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

When I was raising my questions regarding the ads, how much, where, and all that stuff, you made a sort of comment that the minister will get back to us. I'm wondering if that is a commitment on your behalf, or will the minister come back to us with specifics, where the money was spent, which newspaper was bought, how much did it cost on advertising, all the details? Is this an undertaking that--

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

It was my understanding that you would get in touch with Public Works and would endeavour to see that they would get back to our committee with the information.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Diane Finley Conservative Haldimand—Norfolk, ON

Yes, we will do that. They would be the ones who would have that information, Mr. Chair.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Thank you, Minister.

A point of order, Mr. Bevilacqua.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Maurizio Bevilacqua Liberal Vaughan, ON

Mr. Chairman, there are some members of the committee who unfortunately were not able to ask questions of the minister.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Two.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Maurizio Bevilacqua Liberal Vaughan, ON

Two, which--

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

One associate member and one member.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Maurizio Bevilacqua Liberal Vaughan, ON

I was wondering if members of the committee would be generous enough to allow those two members to ask their questions so that they could participate in this session.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

I guess I would have to go to the minister to determine what her schedule might be before I would ask the committee.

Would the minister want to stay for an extra five to ten minutes? Is there a schedule?

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Diane Finley Conservative Haldimand—Norfolk, ON

I do have a scheduling issue, Mr. Chair, but I would be happy to stay for, say, five minutes.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Okay.

Then we'll go to Madam Beaumier.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Colleen Beaumier Liberal Brampton West, ON

Thank you, Minister. I appreciate that.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

I was hoping to be able to squeeze you in.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Colleen Beaumier Liberal Brampton West, ON

Thank you.

Minister, you tried to swing these measures on Canadians through the back door, and you did so without consulting community groups. There's a growing list of stakeholders who do not support these measures: the Canadian Bar Association, the Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants, the Canadian Council for Refugees, the Canada Arab Federation, the Chinese Canadian National Council, the Canadian Labour Congress, the Ontario Council of Agencies Serving Immigrants, and the Alliance of South Asian Communities' immigration lawyers, such as Lorne Waldman and David Cohen. The only people who have supported this legislation have been from patronage organizations, such as CFIC, and their support has been weak. No stakeholders have been contacted. Knowing that this is a very weak bill, you've allowed the Prime Minister to give it minimal coverage, two out of the 150 pages.

You keep going back to the backlog. Not one single witness has said there are measures to deal with the backlog. I want to know exactly how this will deal with the backlog and how you can claim you have any serious intentions for your interests in your portfolio when you are pushing through legislation without proper consultation that is clearly not supported by a majority of stakeholders.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

I have one more, so I'll go three, three, and three here.

Go ahead, Minister.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Diane Finley Conservative Haldimand—Norfolk, ON

Mr. Chairman, I did explain I do have a time limitation.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Okay.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Diane Finley Conservative Haldimand—Norfolk, ON

Actually, it's important to recognize, when we talk about reducing the backlog, that it's part of a three-pronged approach, with extra resources. The legislation is not sufficient in itself to do this. I've acknowledged that every step of the way. But I would take issue with what you are saying about the stakeholders. I have a list of ethnic communities: the Belarusian Canadian Alliance, the Canadian Chinese Association, the Canadian Polish Congress, the Russian Chamber of Commerce, and numerous others. I have a long list of business associations. I have all members of FETCO, and I was told this was the first time that all of FETCO's members agreed, that something was a good thing, and that includes Air Canada, Bell Canada, Canada Post, CNR, CPR, Iron Ore, NAV Canada, Purolator, Telus. We're talking about a wide range of groups.

We're also talking about a wide range of ethnic stakeholders who recognize that this is going to help them. Not only the legislation but the extra resources and the administrative changes will all help to put--