Evidence of meeting #44 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was instructions.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Richard Fadden  Deputy Minister, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Les Linklater  Director General, Immigration Branch, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Andrea Lyon  Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic and Program Policy, Department of Citizenship and Immigration Canada
Joan Atkinson  Visiting Assistant Deputy Minister, Canada Public Service Agency, As an Individual
Daniel Jean  Associate Secretary, Senior Associate Secretary's Office, Treasury Board Secretariat, As an Individual

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Could I have the agency on the record, please?

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Conservative

Diane Finley Conservative Haldimand—Norfolk, ON

We're still looking for that information.

Okay, here it is: ethnic media, $1,076,000; mainstream media, $28,000.

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Who is the agency on the record, please?

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Conservative

Diane Finley Conservative Haldimand—Norfolk, ON

We do not have that, I'm sorry. I'd be pleased to get it for you.

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Did that go through your colleague, the Minister of Public Works and Government Services, or was that spent directly from the department?

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Conservative

Diane Finley Conservative Haldimand—Norfolk, ON

No, that went through the minister, of course.

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Did your agency on record encourage ethnic media to overcharge?

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Conservative

Diane Finley Conservative Haldimand—Norfolk, ON

Absolutely not. What a suggestion!

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Minister, I have an e-mail from a newspaper. My questions to him were:

Further to our telephone conversation for the Immigration advertisement newspaper backlog. Media Marketing asked that you charge the government the highest rate you have which is $1500 per page. You have media cards which range from $500 to $1000 per page. Media Marketing under Mr. Yamin encouraged you and he ok'd the higher card. Please let me know if this is correct or not? Thanks Jim

Hi Jim. Thanks for your email and I would say “yes” for your questions. But some one is going to pay me more money I would be happy.

Minister, why is your agency on record charging higher than they should?

I will give this to the clerk.

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Conservative

Diane Finley Conservative Haldimand—Norfolk, ON

All of these transactions are handled by Public Works, and I would suggest you direct your questions to them.

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Minister, it's your department that asked Public Works to advertise.

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Conservative

Diane Finley Conservative Haldimand—Norfolk, ON

Yes, and they--

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Why is the agency on the record charging higher than normal? Why is the agency on the record suggesting to people to charge higher than normal?

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Conservative

Diane Finley Conservative Haldimand—Norfolk, ON

I don't know that they are, but their responsibility is to do the placement, to deal with it. Our department does not deal with those.

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

What would you do about this, Minister? There's evidence here. There's all kinds of advertising. I'm sure other newspapers were probably encouraged to do the same thing. What is your department and what are you personally going to do about this?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

A point of order.

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Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

I have a point of order, and I think he ought to respect that.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

I have a point of order, Mr. Karygiannis.

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Stop the clock, please, Mr. Chair.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

No, there will be no stoppage of clocks today.

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Conservative

Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK

First of all, this member is suggesting that there's evidence of an issue being proved when another agency--

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

I've placed it before the committee, but you know, Mr. Komarnicki--

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Order, please.

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

--my question is to the minister.

My question is, why, and what are you going to do about it, Minister?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Order, Mr. Karygiannis. I have a point of order. I have to hear it, so will you please restrain yourself when I say “Order, please”?

What's your point of order?