To the member of Parliament's question, one of the problems was that you came up with this idea in IRPA that did make sense, but to implement it in a way that would be effective and wouldn't create more problems, you needed better technical advice. That's what we're trying to give you. I often say to people that if you want good advice, get a good lawyer.
In response to the concern of lawyers wanting more fees, I'm not getting paid for being here. You can get a lot of advice that would help you to implement this, make it work, and make it work to everyone's satisfaction, including people who are concerned about abuse, with some good free advice from lawyers who are willing to be part of a system. Engage us. We want to help. We want the system to work. None of us wants the system to fail. Don't just think that if you pass legislation you only need to rely on the inside people. Bring outsiders in. We all want to work together.
If anyone thinks there are lawyers who are determined to get more legal aid work in Quebec and Ontario, I know what the rates of legal aid are. I know that there's a partial boycott being done by criminal lawyers in Ontario. Please, consultants bill a lot more than lawyers. There is no control. Really, let's get serious. Who are you talking about?