Yes, I'll make a pitch for that. I agree with Elizabeth on the success of the loans program. The challenge, though, is that we only see people who are in a position to access loans. We don't know anything about the experience of people who cannot take advantage of this possibility.
A grant program could be tied to a means test, so that only those who absolutely needed it would be able to access it. I think without that we'd be leaving out a lot of people, particularly women, who would not have as much access to a loans program. It's only the federal government that can do it. It's particularly important now, as we are coming out of a recession and Ontario has been particularly hard hit. If it could be tried even as a pilot, just to see how it would work, that would be useful.