A distinction has to be drawn between a bogus claimant—someone who intends to abuse Canadian generosity—and someone who just misses the mark. You can have good-faith claimants who simply fail the test of persecution because of their personal circumstances. However, when there is a rather large influx of claims from certain countries in which the ground events tend not to establish the fundamentals of individualized persecution, the alarm bells ring, and when I see a couple of hundred claims a month flowing in from a member country of the EEC, I wonder.
In my case, I went downstairs. Our office is on the ninth floor in a certain building in Vancouver. On the eighth floor is the British Consulate. I asked them what their statistics of refusal were for people from Hungary or the Czech Republic who come to England and who fill out a form that enables them to work freely in the United Kingdom. What, I asked, is your refusal rate? She said they have to fill out those forms to pay taxes, and yes, they can remain in the U.K. That's the group I'm focusing on. Overall, no matter what system we have—medicare, refugee—you are going to have a certain level of abuse, but when do you throw out the entire barrel of apples? We're not at that point generally, but I think, looking at the Hungarian situation, that we have a problem.