In England there is a case in the courts where some of the judges and the refugee determination officers said if you're a homosexual, you can go back to your home country and hide it, so you're not really in the face of any kind of danger. And that's why the applications were refused.
I'm not kidding you. It's true. It is in court right now. There is a debate in England about that, even though the new government has said it will accept gay and lesbian refugee claimants. England also has a safe countries designation, and Canada is copying its law right now.
My question is to Mr. Max Berger. If refugees are denied the right to appeal if the safe countries designation passes through Bill C-11, what kinds of challenges and what kinds of implications do you think there would be, especially to the gay and lesbian communities?